#272 – "Industry's" High-Stakes World of Finance (Season 2), Twin Lights Ride Reflections and GOATs doing GOAT $hit!

Welcome to Episode 272 of the Spun Today Podcast! I'm your host, Tony Ortiz, and in today’s show, we dive into a rich mix of topics guaranteed to spark your creativity and fuel your passion for writing. We kick things off with some political speculation, pondering how our political landscape might have transformed if Bernie Sanders had led the Democratic Party against Donald Trump. Could Sanders have changed the course of history?

Next, we'll switch gears to the world of high-stakes finance and drama as we recap and review the thrilling second season of HBO's "Industry." The writing in this show is impeccable, and we'll explore how the complex character dynamics and intricate plotlines can inspire your creative journey. Alongside this, I'll share my personal experience tackling the Twin Lights Ride cycling marathon along New Jersey's picturesque coastline.

In our special segment, "Goats Doing Goat $hit!,” we honor the legendary music producer Timbaland for his remarkable generosity in the industry. And speaking of industry icons, we'll also shed light on an inspiring moment from Ryan Tedder's career, celebrating the power of creative kindness.

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Tony Ortiz [00:00:00]:

I wonder what yeah, I really wonder what this country would have been like if the crooked corrupted powers that be within the DNC actually let the process play out and let Bernie represent the left. I think he would have beat Trump more so than Biden and definitely would have gotten eight years versus just four. And we wouldn't be in the situation we're now where to borrow from South Park. We're again in the situation where we feel like we have the choice between a douchebag and a turd sandwich. But I wonder how things would have been shaped and changed. What's up folks? What's going on? Welcome to the Spun Today Podcast, the only podcast that is anchored in writing but unlimited in scope. I'm your host Tony Ortiz, and I appreciate you listening. This is episode 272 of the spontaneity Podcast and in this episode I recap and review season two of industry HBO's financial thriller show.

Tony Ortiz [00:01:22]:

I also tell you guys about completing this year's Twin Lights Ride, which is a cycling marathon in Jersey a few weeks back in September 2024. Tell you guys a bit about my experience there and then wrap up the show with another addition to your favorite segment and mine, Goats Doing Goat, where I like to highlight goats AKA Greatest of All Time within their respective fields that go above and beyond in some way, shape or form. So definitely stick around to see who will receive that honor in this episode of the Spun Today Podcast. Before we get into it, however, I wanted to tell you guys about a quick way that you can help support this podcast if you so choose. In the outro of every episode, I tell you guys about a bunch of different ways that you can help support the podcast, whether through my affiliates where you could get discounts on things purchasing, merch rating, subscribing to all the different platforms. So if you want to get ahead of that, you can Visit my website spontaneous.com forward/support and the links to everything are there. Again, spun today.com support but I want to tell you guys about one of those ways to support the podcast before we get into the episode, which is subscribing to my newsletter. The Spun Today newsletter is absolutely free.

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Tony Ortiz [00:04:51]:

And in this episode I'm going to break down or just do a little recap and review of Season two. If you're familiar with my or if you're not familiar rather with my recap and review style of shows or movies. They're not too spoiler heavy in that I'm not gonna, you know, chronologically break down every single thing that that occurred with it within the show, but what I do is give a general overview. Some spoilers inevitably do come out. Obviously, if you haven't seen season two and you don't want to know anything that happens, you know, skip forward, don't listen to this segment. But what I like to hone in on is the writing of the show, some of my favorite pieces of dialogue and creative choices. And again, for folks who don't know and that didn't Listen to episode 270, Industry is an HBO show similar to Succession, which was a big hit for hbo. So folks listening to this may have seen Succession if they haven't seen Industry and where succession covered a family within the media world.

Tony Ortiz [00:05:58]:

Industry is focused on the financial sector, the financial world, to quote unquote, financial thriller and financial drama. The official synopsis is a British American television drama series that premiered in 2020. It follows a group of young graduates competing for permanent positions at a prestigious investment bank in London. These young bankers and traders make their way in the financial world in the aftermath of the 2008 collapse. So now most of our main characters from season one are now established in season two. They're about two to three years into their permanent positions at Peer Point, which is the name of the investment firm. And before I share some of my favorite takeaways, I want to shout out once again the writers of this series because we don't shout out the writers here on the Spun Today podcast who will first up are Mickey down and Conrad K. Which are the co creators of the show and have written 19 of the 24 episodes of the show.

Tony Ortiz [00:07:05]:

Then you have Joseph Charlton which has written on two episodes and the following four folks which have written on one episode a piece, Sam H. Freeman, Kate Verges, Matthew Barry and Zara Mirza.

Tony Ortiz [00:07:23]:

Shout.

Tony Ortiz [00:07:23]:

Out to each and every one of the writers and the co creators that put this series together. So in this season the characters are obviously a bit more developed, a bit more settled in their roles of being part of Purepoint for the past two or three years, having permanent positions molded and shaped by their colleagues and respective mentors. Definitely less green, but still, you know, trying to figure out who they are, where they fit into the greater scheme of things. And the first piece of dialogue that I want to share comes from Nicole Craig played by Sarah Parrish. She's a wealthy client of peerpoint and true to the in my opinion, exact exaggerated nature of of the show and how sex and drug heavy the show is, she goes out on these like client dinners and at peer point is paying for and she gets pitched ideas and stuff like that. And she hits on slash sexually assaults Harper Stern by you know, being drunk in the back of the car, leaning her head on on Harper's shoulder and then pulling a trump and grabbing her by the But Harper turns down the advance and that's kind of that. But in season two, Robert Spearing, played by Harry Lottie, he takes on Nicole as a client to be her sales rep or hoping to be. You know, she's again this wealthy older, older woman and all these sales reps from or Traders and sales reps from Pure Point are, you know, two, three years out of college.

Tony Ortiz [00:09:11]:

But he takes her on, takes her out, winds her and dines her and same thing happens pretty much, but they strike. This type of relationship, kind of like codependent. Robert's character has mommy issues. He's insecure about his place within the firm, desperately needs a client, needs some someone to represent. She's giving him this opportunity. He's the kind of like the party, take clients out, do drugs with them. That's his whole angle. But he's trying to clean himself up and take himself seriously.

Tony Ortiz [00:09:44]:

She kind of sort of gives him the opportunity to represent her, but in a quid pro quo fashion, also bangs him as well. But they have this like love, hate relationship, right? And again, this codependent type of relationship. She tells him something very interesting too, because she is not, you know, who she reminds me of? Kind of, in a way, Kathy Bates. His character in Titanic, if you guys remember. She, you know, she's amongst all these legacy rich people. She's considered, quote unquote, new money. That doesn't really fit in, but she's just as rich as them. So these, like, legacy generational wealth folks kind of look down on her.

Tony Ortiz [00:10:23]:

Nicole Craig's character is similar in that way. She didn't come from generational wealth, but she was like self made, very wealthy. And it's kind of rough around the edges, if you will. And she connects with Robert spearing in that sense because, like, his father owns a pub. Hardworking guy, but, you know, definitely not a wealthy family that he comes from. His mother was the overbearing, pushing him to be more. Somehow gets into a prestigious university, you know, rubbing shoulders with all these general generational wealth kids and kind of feels out of place in that setting as well. So they have like that type of connection.

Tony Ortiz [00:11:05]:

And they have an interesting exchange where Nicole tells him that they being, you know, like the powers that be, don't want you to be successful. So they make you instead a success story. And a success story, all it does is that it reinforces the rigidity of where you come from. It reinforces your difference. So the structure of it all stays absolutely the same and they keep their power. I thought that was definitely interesting perspective there. Another piece of dialogue that I jotted down and actually didn't write. Who said it? I'm trying to remember right now, I think it may have been Robert, although it may have been Yaz Yasmin's character played by Marissa Abella, or maybe even Harper's character played by Mahala, but it was that one of them says in a scene quote, part of me feels like I deserve the world.

Tony Ortiz [00:12:03]:

The other part of me feels less than that definitely resonated with me as someone that has definitely felt both of those ways at different times in in my life. And it reminded me of like the feelings and thoughts that Eminem always gave me in a way in how he can go from feeling as and demonstrating the ability to be an absolute God within his domain. Right within rapping a rap God while also exploring on the other side of the spectrum being completely self deprecating and highlighting what a piece of shit he is and what a loser he has been and then somehow marrying the two in such a way that gets you in a mind state to use that less than feeling as fuel and a sense of pride in an interesting way and propelling yourself to getting to the part of me feels I deserve the world mentality and acting as if Speaking of Eminem, did you guys see recently at a rally in Detroit for Kamala Eminem came out who's been obviously vocally anti Trump for years, drew the proverbial orange line in the sand I think initially and most like widely recognized at the like a bet cipher. Back then we was at a Detroit rally and brought out my guy Barry O Shout out to Obama. I thought that was a pretty cool moment. Obama tried rapping like 8 mile a few 8 mile lyrics from lose Yourself and I just heard something earlier today actually interesting, an interesting take on something that Obama I was listening to Lex Friedman's podcast and he had Bernie Sanders on and Lex brought up something that Obama told Bernie once which was and I'm going to paraphrase something along the lines of that Bernie is like a philosopher of the left, filled with wisdom and great ideas that folks on the left side turn to and look to for guidance or what have you, but that philosophers get to be king and kings are the ones that have to make the hard and real decisions. Which was in my opinion surprisingly practical thing to say for and like hardlined thing to say for Obama to say. And Bernie's general take on that was that obviously didn't agree with that but or at least didn't agree with all of it.

Tony Ortiz [00:14:47]:

But he cited an interesting person whose name for getting someone who ran for president once upon a time and was like a big union leader who didn't win. But he mentioned how folks like that person whose name I'm. I'm blanking on have he kind of framed it as kind of More of a greater goal, if you will, which I, I guess is debatable, but of like shaping society as a whole and putting ideas forth that do that. And he highlighted him because although that person lost fdr, which is one of the, you know, biggest known presidents in, in history, got us out the Great Depression, great New Deal, put a lot of these, like social, Social Security, I believe, public lands and other social programs in place. His presidency borrowed a lot. There was a bunch of overlap from those ideas of that person that ran, that union leader that ran and put forth those quote, unquote, radical populist ideas at the time and in doing so, obviously shaped society in our country and changed the direction of it forever. So I guess Bernie's point in that was kind of sort of like lose you win type of thing, because some of my ideas are out there. But I digress.

Tony Ortiz [00:16:14]:

I wonder what, yeah, I really wonder what this country would have been like if the crooked, corrupted powers that be within the DNC actually let the process play out and let Bernie represent the left. I think he would have beat Trump more so than Biden and definitely would have gotten eight years versus just four. And we wouldn't be in the situation we're now where to borrow from South Park. We're again in the situation where we feel like we have the choice between a douchebag and a turd sandwich. But I wonder how things would have been shaped and changed. Anyway, now I digress for real. So in season two also we have other characters like Danny Van Deventer introduced, played by Alice act, that comes from the New York City branch of Pierpoint. And the firm as a whole is going to be doing some consolidating and cutting and some folks are going to lose their jobs.

Tony Ortiz [00:17:15]:

And looming over the entire season is that fact. And who's being cut? Who's going to lose their jobs? Is New York and take over? Is London going to stay? Or is it going to be some sort of like merger of the two? So everybody's in a sense fighting for their jobs, their roles. And part of the storyline in the season is Eric Tao's character being cut and losing his job, which I think happened at the end of the first season. And then Harper angling in a way to help get him his job back. Then he moves to like a different capacity, then again gets his job back on the floor. Eric Tao, by the way, played by Ken Leung, which is a dope character in the series anyway, they find themselves in a position where they feel like all of them are going to be cut. All of them are going to lose their jobs. And they wind up shopping themselves as an alternative or shopping themselves as a group.

Tony Ortiz [00:18:13]:

Four of them, Eric Tao's character, Harper Stern, Stern character played by Sagar Radia, which is another dope character and Danny's character, shopping themselves as the CDS team, this credit default swap team that can do for other banks what they currently do for Peer Point. So they're fear being cut and losing their jobs. So they're shopping themselves around basically before that happens when they have maximum leverage and that winds up being a bust in a way. I won't spoil that one for you, but I wanted to highlight something that Eric says when they bring Danny into the fold of joining them and leaving Purepoint and it's quote, isn't it lucky that no one is ever satisfied? There's definitely a salient take there. Now flipping over to Yaz, played by Yasmin Karahanani, or rather Yasmin Karahanani played by Marissa Abella. She was looking for this new role in wealth management within the firm. It's kind of like this boutique type of department headed by Celeste Packet played by Katrine de Candole. And she's flirting with the idea of working there.

Tony Ortiz [00:19:26]:

Having some like cognitive dissonance between that and her old role and feeling of starting to gain her footing within her prior role on the trading desk. But she constantly has this yearning of feeling valuable, feeling self made, you know, she comes from for money. Her father's fairly wealthy and she's bumping up against her new boss wanting to like manage her father's assets and money. And then kind of sort of feeling like, does she only want me for that because of what I could potentially bring to the table in terms of a big client? So that's all going on for her internally as a character. And she mentions those types of concerns to her new boss. And Celeste tells her, quote, do you want to operate within a system and be successful or do you want to dream that you can change it and be left behind? Which I thought was a pretty cynical view, but one that is not original, you know, one that many folks feel in terms of the, you know, the financial industry itself. But in different sectors, right, people feel like that about politics or more locally about friendships and family dynamics, feel like that about specific jobs. They feel that way about that cynical way about creative pursuits and being able to or not being able to do something.

Tony Ortiz [00:20:54]:

So I wanted to highlight that there. And the last thing that I'll share about season two of industry is something that Rishi tells Harper, which I thought was spot on. And he tells her that the way that she flips on a dime is sociopathic. And he tells her this while they're all, you know, scheming on taking whatever context they can from peerpoint and pitching themselves as this CVS group. That could do for another bank what they've done for peerpoint. But I think he, he definitely hit Harper's personality spot on. Like he hit the, the nail on the head. Oh, and speaking to the, the whole sex and drug aspect of the show, which again I feel is probably my only criticism of the show, that it's a little over overblown.

Tony Ortiz [00:21:44]:

But Harper and Rishi wind up fucking on his wedding day in a bathroom stall. Whether they're doing coke and they've had absolutely no, no indication or chemistry or attraction or like it, they came completely out of nowhere. It was just like sex for sex sake. I felt like, just like weird and unnecessary I thought. But teach their own. Oh, and also important to highlight is that Harper's character in this, you know, she has so much leverage in this season because she landed a huge client like a, like a Elon Musk slash Mark Cuban esque type of client named Jesse Bloom play played by Jay Duplass. So because of that, even though she's like this junior, you know, two, three year into the business person, she happened to land this client through like happenstance of being at the same hotel as him during COVID and lockdowns and striking up a friendship and then pitching him. And she has these like out of the box, unorthodox financial ideas that he gravitated towards, so on and so forth.

Tony Ortiz [00:22:52]:

So just important to note there. But yeah, industry season two dope season. Again, if you're late to the series, as I was, I definitely recommend to get into it. I'm currently about a quarter through season three and enjoying it as well. So definitely stay tuned for my recap and review of that once I wrap the show. And definitely let me know what you guys think of season two. If you've seen it already. Industry is streaming now on hbo.

Tony Ortiz [00:23:23]:

Max. Check it out. The Twin Lights ride. Shout out to my fellow cyclists out there, cycling enthusiasts. Shout out to Pablo, which is a sponsored alum that I do all these cycling marathons with. This was the first year that we attempted and successfully completed three marathons throughout the year. First was the five borough which is the biggest and longest. It's a 40 mile, 40, 40 to 45 mile ride through all five boroughs of New York City.

Tony Ortiz [00:23:57]:

I definitely broke that down to you guys in a prior episode. We did the Hudson Valley. That was a great ride. We did a 15 mile path on that one. And this was the twin lights ride where we also did a 15 mile path. Now it wasn't as enjoyable as we would have hoped due to the weather. Aside from that, it was great. So last year I think for the twin lights ride we did the like 30, 30, 33 mile path.

Tony Ortiz [00:24:29]:

This year, since we were doing three marathons instead of two, we opted to do the 15 mile. And it's also more of a scenic route. It's right alongside the water in New Jersey, like that Jersey shore coastline. And when you do the 30 and above mile ones, it takes you through like a lot of residential areas. Similar to the Hudson Valley ride at some scene is some scenic, you know, parts to it, especially in the beginning when you're on just the coastline. But the majority of it is not. But this 50 mile version is mainly this coastline and then you cut through a few parks, which is also nice and scenic. And it's a, it's a pretty dope ride for us.

Tony Ortiz [00:25:14]:

However, literally while we were waiting online to register and actually even before, while we were like driving to it, it was just raining. While we were driving to it, it would rain, it would let up, it would rain, it would let up. But while we were online to check in, it pretty much started drizzling and then picked up terrain and didn't stop the entire time. So did 15 miles. It took place on September 29, 2024. So we did 15 miles in rain of varying intensities right next to the water. So it was like breezy and wetter and colder. And it was for the entire 50 mile trip.

Tony Ortiz [00:25:58]:

So it was a miserable ride, but we got through it. And when you get through something like grueling and miserable like that, you kind of feel good afterwards. At least I do, you know, proud of, you know, getting something like that done that, you know, it was made that much harder because of how shitty the weather was. But definitely not ideally what we were looking for in terms of the weather and the overall riding experience. The Twin lights ride, I'll also say that it's a lot less people than it's similar to Hudson Valley, I would say, but I would say it's even less people than Hudson Valley and obviously far less than the five Bar. The five Bar is something that people from like around the world, you know, fly in for and do. And it's by far the largest ride of the year that Bike New York puts together, I definitely recommend it though. I think we're gonna keep the same game plan for next year.

Tony Ortiz [00:26:52]:

Try to do the Five Borough, Hudson Valley and the Twin Lights ride. I'm actually contemplating switching up my bike before getting into the next cycling season. I've had. I have a specialized Rock Hopper from 2011, I want to say is the model. So it's fairly old. It's been great, a great bike. But I've had like tire issues that I've mentioned to you guys, which by the way, after like YouTubing and just switching out the tube and adding rim tape and stuff myself after taking it to the shop literally twice and then having folks help me replace the tubes and stuff during rides that I mentioned, they get the flat fix places within the rest stops there. At these events, I haven't had issues since I wound up doing it myself.

Tony Ortiz [00:27:41]:

So it's something I recommend if people are having issues with their bikes. And it's not to like pat myself on the back or anything like that. But I don't know what my point is. But I guess you, you care more about your shit than other folks would and if it's something that you can do yourself, why not? But it had. Has Slash had those issues? Because I haven't had an issue with that since. But I do have like gearing issues with the top gears, the 1, 2 and 3 gears, which no longer are. They'll shift into place, but they'll make like loud clanking, weird noises and like that. So, yeah, I just think it's time.

Tony Ortiz [00:28:16]:

It's been like over 10 years, so might be time to, to make a switch contemplating now because I, I like the style of the Rockhopper and I like Specialized. But the Rockhopper, what it is is it's considered a hybrid between like a road bike and a mountain bike. But I don't do any like off road biking. Never have really. But then on the flip side, I don't like the style of the. Just the road bikes that kind of look like 10 speedish type bikes. I don't like that style aesthetically, so I'm just. But I'm leaning more towards a road bike.

Tony Ortiz [00:28:48]:

But yeah, I'll keep you folks posted on what the ultimate decisions are there. If anybody knows of any deals or bikes to look into, definitely hit me up. Let me know. Any recommendations, suggestions. But yeah, that's where I'm at with it. Shout out as always to Bike New York, who puts together these, these great events that we've enjoyed taking part in for years and I highly recommend it to anyone who is into cycling. It's a dope community, cool people around. You know, obviously you have your, you go hard Lance Armstrong types.

Tony Ortiz [00:29:26]:

I think it's like them against the world and everybody else is in their way type of, type of mentality. But whatever you have, you have those folks sprinkled throughout everywhere in life. But overall, you know, it's a, it's a dope thing to do. It's you against you, which I like. And you have night again. Mostly nice caring folks around that look out for each other and people fall or hurt themselves or need anything and it's a cool way to take in taking a city, taken an area, a town. You see things, I always say this. You see things that you don't notice when you're walking and or driving.

Tony Ortiz [00:29:59]:

Like when you're cycling through an area. Like you see things at a completely different level, a completely different plane. I don't know exactly what it is, but you can drive down the block, walk down the block or cycle down the block and I feel like you'll see that block three different ways. But maybe that's just me. And that folks, was my little recap and review of the 2024 Twin Lights, ride goats, doing goat. As I said in the intro, this is a segment of the Spun Today podcast where I like to highlight goats greatest of all time, doing something dope, doing something above and beyond that they otherwise didn't need to do. This episodes prestigious honor goes to none other than hitmaker producer Timbaland. I recently saw an excerpt of an interview that the Source reposted from the Finding Hit Songs Instagram with a songwriter producer by the name of Ryan Teeter.

Tony Ortiz [00:31:02]:

And he was speaking to back in 2007 when the song Too Late to Apologize came out. One Republic Timberland. How Timbaland produced the remix to that song. And obviously it was a big, huge mega hit. But Ryan Teeter is the one that actually wrote it. He was a songwriter as well as a producer. And he breaks down in this clip that I'll play for you guys in a bit how when it came time to the publishing rights, you know, the lawyers, representatives of each artist figure out and fine tune the details of that, of who's gonna get what. He felt that, you know, Timbaland being the big name and largely the one that popularized the shit out of the song that he would just take, it would be, you know, status quo essentially for him to take the majority of the publishing rights.

Tony Ortiz [00:31:51]:

Now before I tell you guys, what Timbaland wound up doing. I wanted to highlight what the publishing rights are and what they mean specific to within the music publishing, which is similar when it comes to writing and what I speak about often in terms of like, writing books or screenplays. And I'm sure this translates to other creative arenas as well. But specifically to the music publishing rights. This refers to the ownership and control of a song's intellectual property, the ip, including its melody, lyrics and harmonies. And this right, this ownership right of the, again, intellectual property, the ip, the thing that was created, it encompasses the rights to reproduce, distribute, perform, and adapt the work. So whoever owns the ip, if like a commercial for Budweiser comes and says, hey, I want to use part of that one republic song, who do I have to pay to get that, to get that right? Whoever owns that publishing, the intellectual property is the person that gets the money from that. And there's a couple.

Tony Ortiz [00:32:58]:

There's two main categories when it comes to music, which is master rights. You always hear, like, rappers and like Jay Z famously, you know, I own my own masters and other rappers as well, and, you know, songwriters in general. But I see it highlighted more within hip hop of owning your masters. That's one category, one of the two main categories. And it. That portion of it deals with the rights related to the recorded version of the song, including the production, the mixing and the mastering of the song. Like the recorded version that you hear, that's the master rights or ownership of that. The publishing rights specifically, which are also known as composition rights, are owned by the songwriters and.

Tony Ortiz [00:33:46]:

Or the publishers. And these rights are the songwriters of the actual lyrics, the composition, the songwriters of the actual melody, the harmonies, the songwriters of the music itself, AKA the producers, the production of it. And when you create something in a collaborative form, like, you know, music mainly is, you know, you have people that come up with the beats, with melodies, with the hook, with the lyrics, or multiple people that come up with the lyrics, you know, that write together or in concert, then according to the work that different folks put into something, that translates into their percentage of publishing rights and master rights, et cetera. So if Timbaland, for example, works with a producer that's, you know, green and doesn't know the industry really, or, you know, he's just like getting his foot in the door and, you know, he comes up with a dope beat, and Timbaland kind of like oversees it and maybe makes a little tweak or two. But the person that actually came up with it is, you know, that new Guy Very often you hear like stories like this throughout the music industry that new artists winds up getting fucked. Unlike the rights, you know, the big name usually just takes the rights and you know, puts their stamp on it. And yeah, I created this and you know, kind of pays, pays the person like a one time fee, but then they, the, the big name owns the publishing rights, the intellectual property, so they wind up making money off of that forever. Which is why again, I highlight always, in my opinion, again, to each their own, but in my opinion, own your intellectual property.

Tony Ortiz [00:35:32]:

You never know what new revenue streams that may not even exist right now will come into play in the future. And if you own the intellectual property of whatever it is you create, whether it's a short story, a novel, a song, you'll be able to have a seat at that table and be able to sell your work on a different platform in the future. But if you take, you know, the short money, the short bag, even if it's big, but short term, and just hand over your rights, hand over your publishing, hand over your masters, then whoever purchased that from you, they'll make money on that forever, which is the long money. But again, I digress. So going back to why I'm awarding Timbaland with the goats doing goat shit honor here on the Spun Today podcast is because Ryan Teeter himself, you know, knowing and recognizing his position, hierarchical position within the music industry, he was like, you know, Timbaland's the big name. So when I got the call about the publishing rights, I was like, you know, he's going to take like half or like 60, 70% of it. Cuz, you know, he's Timbaland, he's like the big name. And he was like.

Tony Ortiz [00:36:36]:

And I would have been happy with that, but he said that Timblin told him, or his, his folks representing him told him that Timlin isn't taking any of the publishing. So Ryan was kind of like taking it back. And he was like that. According to Timbaland, he was like that. He didn't write the song, so he didn't deserve to, to take the publishing that Ryan wrote the song and told him like, from a practical perspective, you need the money more than I do. I'm already Timbaland, I'm already a millionaire. I'm already this like established guy in the industry. This is going to put you on.

Tony Ortiz [00:37:10]:

And Ryan said that that lack of greed from Timbaland and him being able to retain the publishing rights of the song that he wrote that he created allowed Ryan to be able to Buy a house. So there you see, like, the actual impact of what something like that can do. And here's the actual clip that I'll play for you guys.

Ryan Tedder [00:37:32]:

Thought it was his song. And the truth of the matter is, he. When they called me about the publishing splits, I was. I was just grimacing. I was ready to just be like, I'm gonna get creamed on this. They're gonna just. They're gonna take half the song or more. And the manager calls and goes, tim doesn't want to take any publishing, buddy.

Tony Ortiz [00:37:53]:

Wow.

Ryan Tedder [00:37:53]:

He's not gonna touch it. He's like, it's your song. You wrote it, and you played him that song like, two years ago. Like, he's not trying to take food off your table.

Tony Ortiz [00:38:02]:

He's.

Ryan Tedder [00:38:02]:

He produced the remix, you wrote the song. So he's not taking any publishing. I just want to keep. Put that out there for everybody watching. That's Timbaland. He could have taken two thirds of the publishing if he wanted to. He had all the leverage in the world. And he said, I didn't write the song.

Ryan Tedder [00:38:17]:

I'm not taking any publishing. And that was. It was that clean. And he let me keep 100% of that record. And that changed my life. And he said, he's like, you need it more than I do. So I'll give Tim props to the rest of my life for that, because that was a life changer for me. That's how I bought a house.

Tony Ortiz [00:38:39]:

How dope is that? Shout out to Timbaland. Absolute round of applause. Welcome to the SP Fun Today Goats Doing goat family. And that, folks, was episode 272 of the Sponsor Day podcast. Thank each and every one of you for taking the time to listen. I hope you continue to enjoy this show as much as I continue to enjoy creating it for you. The last thing I'll ask is that you please stick around for another minute or two and listen to a few different ways you can help support this show. Helps me keep the proverbial lights on here in these Spun Today studios and definitely helps fuel the motivation for keeping it all going.

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Here are a few ways you can help support the Spun Today podcast if you so choose. And I'll catch you guys out next time. Peace. What's up, folks?

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Tony here. I hope you're enjoying the Spun Today podcast as much as I enjoy producing it for you. Here are a few ways you can.

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